Partial unders.

fawn wrote:This is muscle distortion sherri. Most women with unders get this. A weird look while working out is a small price to pay IMO.

I find this extremely worrying!! Do we have anyone on the site that has or had unders and didn't suffer with this????

people get it to different extents. Mine is very minimal and isnt annoying at all, although i dont do heavy chest exercises or anything

tinks76 wrote:Is there and huge difference with having partials ie exercise after time to heal etc xxx

In general it's said that you should expect a longer recovery with unders, but there are many ladies here who have flown through the recovery process with mimimal discomfort from unders and there are women who have had overs that have taken quite some time to recover, everybody is different babe and I'd just advise you to take your recovery as it comes and just look forward to enjoying your new boobs.

Whether you have unders or overs you'll be given a six week rest period before going back to excercise. xx

I've literally just this moment come back from my first consultation (whooo ) and was recommended partial unders. I asked if the surgeon whether full unders would be better, and he said that he didn't do full unders as that is only really used with reconstruction surgery as it is a major operation, with much longer recovery time and higher risks of internal bleeding!

I would guess that in most cases 'unders' means 'partial unders'

Oh....he also said I should NEVER do push-ups, rowing machine or those 'pull down' exercise machines that use my chest muscle as they could potentially cause the implant to rotate or create a 'double bubble'....just thought you might want to know (not that it affects me - I'm sooo lazy!!! lol)

ohhh, i didnt know you werent supposed to use the rowing machine

i have been to mya this evening to see Mr Kazzazi and he said he would advise not to do any exercise that incorporates the pec muscles, so yes the rowing machine uses your chest muscles when you pull back (as well as your lats). You shouldnt do tricep dips either as these also use your chest muscles in some way. You also have to be careful with doing shoulder work as some shoulder exercises work the front deltoids which incorporates the chest muscle. Thats p***ed on my bonfire as when i had my breasts done in 2006 the surgeon knew i did exercises including weights, but never even advised me to keep clear of these. she just said gradually incorporate exercise after 6 weeks, never dont do any chest work. You have to be so careful.

I think it's one of the reasons why bodybuilders always have overs...that the straining of the chest muscles distorts the implant? It makes sense really, if you're contracting your chest muscle against the implant wall, it's going to bulge out somewhere else!

sherri9871 wrote:i have been to mya this evening to see Mr Kazzazi and he said he would advise not to do any exercise that incorporates the pec muscles, so yes the rowing machine uses your chest muscles when you pull back (as well as your lats). You shouldnt do tricep dips either as these also use your chest muscles in some way. You also have to be careful with doing shoulder work as some shoulder exercises work the front deltoids which incorporates the chest muscle. Thats p***ed on my bonfire as when i had my breasts done in 2006 the surgeon knew i did exercises including weights, but never even advised me to keep clear of these. she just said gradually incorporate exercise after 6 weeks, never dont do any chest work. You have to be so careful.

What's Mr Kazzazi's first name? Is it Hassan?

cookie wrote:I don't know anybody who has full unders except for those who have had breast reconstructive surgery.... chances are hunni, if you've been told you're having unders, this will mean 'partials'. xx

Oh, okay,thank you.

abbie wrote:ohhh, i didnt know you werent supposed to use the rowing machine

I didn't either hun and i used a rowing machine a few weeks ago - my boob got really sore and i thought i had done something to it - it went back to normal again after a few days but it did worry me.

Hi girls! I am booked un for 300cc 'unders' next week but reading the forum has made me wonder if this means partial or not (I am going to call my surgeon today to make sure) will let everyone know what is said :)

Just spoke with my surgeon and I am booked in for full submuscular (not partial) I am told that the recovery time is a lot longer for this placement, so i am a bit nervous :S my surgeon is based in sydney and he favours under the muscle so i will trust him :)

I am also booked in for unders this month and from reading this thread I put the question to my surgeon - he said mine will be partial it is extremely rare for him to do full unders. :good:

Mr Nazar Hazim Kozi Kazzazi this is a link about him
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thanks

Good picture Cookie, that makes sense to me now, I have been having trouble understanding how partials work and now I know.

I didn't know about not using certain gym equipment and thought you were ok as long as you built it up after the 6 week period, not that i will make a great deal of difference to me as I pay for my gym membership but don't go much.

Decisions wrote:Hi girls! I am booked un for 300cc 'unders' next week but reading the forum has made me wonder if this means partial or not (I am going to call my surgeon today to make sure) will let everyone know what is said :)

I'm probably getting 300cc unders mysefl! Hope it all goes well xx

Decisions wrote:Just spoke with my surgeon and I am booked in for full submuscular (not partial) I am told that the recovery time is a lot longer for this placement, so i am a bit nervous :S my surgeon is based in sydney and he favours under the muscle so i will trust him :)

What's the diff between partial and submuscular?

Submuscular, or subpectoral, breast augmentation involves placing a breast implant behind the pectoral muscle. Since the muscle is only attached to the chest wall around its edge, there is a space underneath it where the breast implant can be placed.

In most cases, the pectoral muscle will cover approximately two-thirds of a breast implant. When the breast implant is not completely covered by muscle, it is referred to as a partial submuscular breast augmentation. Complete, or total, submuscular breast augmentation is achieved by using other muscles on the chest wall to cover the remaining third of the breast implant.

Because the pectoral muscles have to be manipulated to place the breast implant, submuscular breast augmentation tends to involve a longer surgery, increased post-operative discomfort, and an extended recovery time compared to subglandular (overs) breast implant placement. The involvement of chest muscles in submuscular breast implant placement also makes further procedures more difficult.

In laymans terms Partial submuscular means partial placement under 2/3s of the muscle, leaving the bottom half of the implant as subglandular (another word for overs) where the implant will be covered by breast tissue.
partial submuscular (partials) are the most commonly used in the UK

Complete submuscular (fully under the muscle) can be done through the arm pit (transaxillary) , nipple (areola) or crease incision (inframammary)

misf1 wrote:Submuscular, or subpectoral, breast augmentation involves placing a breast implant behind the pectoral muscle. Since the muscle is only attached to the chest wall around its edge, there is a space underneath it where the breast implant can be placed.

In most cases, the pectoral muscle will cover approximately two-thirds of a breast implant. When the breast implant is not completely covered by muscle, it is referred to as a partial submuscular breast augmentation. Complete, or total, submuscular breast augmentation is achieved by using other muscles on the chest wall to cover the remaining third of the breast implant.

Because the pectoral muscles have to be manipulated to place the breast implant, submuscular breast augmentation tends to involve a longer surgery, increased post-operative discomfort, and an extended recovery time compared to subglandular (overs) breast implant placement. The involvement of chest muscles in submuscular breast implant placement also makes further procedures more difficult.

In laymans terms Partial submuscular means partial placement under 2/3s of the muscle, leaving the bottom half of the implant as subglandular (another word for overs) where the implant will be covered by breast tissue.
partial submuscular (partials) are the most commonly used in the UK

Complete submuscular (fully under the muscle) can be done through the arm pit (transaxillary) , nipple (areola) or crease incision (inframammary)

Thanks for the info. I hope my muscles don't have to be messed around with, lol. Whatever surgeon I choose to go with, I will have to make sure I find out which kind of unders I'm getting first.

In either partial unders or full unders they are going to be messing about with the muscle. your chest muscles are made up of the pectoralis major (the pecs) this muscle fans out across the chest. The surgeon will disect a pocket to place the implant in. So if you are having under the muscle it will refer to partials as they only use one muscle (pec muscle). We also have a 2nd muscle on our chest called the pectoralis minor located under the pec muscle, in full unders the surgeon would disect part of this 2nd muscle to cover the bottom half of the implant. This is why full submuscular implants are a longer operation and longer recovery as it uses 2 muscles in your chest.
The only way to not have your muscle messed with is to go subgladular aka over the muscle. This is where the implant is behind the brest glands and fatty tissue.

ps they may use other muscles as well I don't know. I'm not a surgeon and have limited biology knowlege.

TT I think you need to have a serious think about whether this is right for you, I don't think you quite grasp how serious an operation this is. There is a long list of complications, and I don't want to put you off, I would never try to do that to anyone, but you have to go into this with full knowledge and reasonable expectations. A surgeon can only do so much. You have to prepare yourself for every possible outcome. You have to remember that you wont wake up after a BA with perfect boobs, they take a long time to settle. A full year or more to heal fully and for scars to be healed and less noticable. You have to prepare yourself both mentallly and financially for further surgery in future.
Good luck in alll your choices

Thanks Titanic girl :) only 3 more sleeps!!

Misf1 did an awesome job at explaining the difference between the different placement, even gave me a better understanding (thanks hun)
The best thing to do is speak with you surgeon about all the differnt placement positions, some surgeons favour under the muscle or over the muscle, it also depends how much breast tissue you currently have. Under the muscle is favourable if you do not have much breast tissue as you do not see the outline of the implant once it is in as it has a smoother take off from the chest etc etc!
Let me know how your consultation goes babe, the doctor will help to clarify any questions you have :)