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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 1:40 pm

Hey ladies,

So I had my second consult today and I have some questions for you!

I have slight assymetry so surgeon recommended two different sizes. My choices are:

310cc and 340cc soft touch implants over the muscle (would be about a D cup)
310cc and 285cc soft touch implants under the muscle (would be about a C)

I dont want to look fake but want to be around a D so Im leaning towards the overs but then I've heard good things about unders. Any advice? She said as the muscle compresses the unders I would lose a bit of projection and so will probably only achieve a C.So thats the downside but then Ive heard unders have less chance of capuslar contraction and bottoming out.

My stats: 32b, bwd 11cm, height 5"7, weight 55kg.

Thanks! xx
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Post by COOKIE 25th May 2013, 1:54 pm

Its said that if you're fortunate to have the choice of either then 'overs' are always the better option hun.

These are quotes from a BAAPS member who used to help us out here: James McDiarmid

James McDiarmid wrote:The decision as to whether an implant is best placed under (usually partial under or dual plane) or over the muscle is one that is best decided at consultation. In general very skinny people with minimal breast tissue do better with implants under the muscle. When implants are behind the muscle they are normally fixed higher and more firmly to the chest wall. They also move when the muscle contracts. I tend to use teardrop shaped (anatomical) implants behind the muscle.

Implants placed in front of the muscle tend to hang, move, feel and (very importantly) age more like a natural breast.
My feeling is that if a patient has the anatomy to support the implant being placed in front of the muscle then this is normally the best place for it. This is after all the natural pocket occupied by the mammary gland. I tend to use round shaped implants in front of the muscle.
An experienced surgeon should be able to advise you appropriately

James McDiarmid wrote:The usual answer is that it all boils down to thickness of soft tissue coverage (determined by skin pinch) and to a large extent it does, however there are several other factors which figure in the decision.
This conventional wisdom is largely based prior to the advent of form stable (less ripply) implants and holds very true in extremely thin ladies.

After 20 years of medical practice and 10 years NHS consultant and private practice the basis upon which I take the decision to encourage patients to have either unders (usually partial unders/dual plane) versus overs has evolved quite far.

I do not think that there is a correct plane for every patient indeed certain patients would have a good static (i:e photographic) result with a round or teardrop shaped implant either in front of or behind the muscle.

What I would definitely say to you though is that the enhanced mobility of a subglandular (over) implant means a more natural dynamic result. The implant will move with the breast gland as it is filling the natural plane that the glandular tissue normally occupies.
So an 'over' implant will hang, wobble, feel and age more like a normal breast than an 'under'.

The enhanced tissue adherence seen with 'unders' means that in addition to being prone to move with pec major contraction the implants will tend to be rather fixed to the chest wall and not flop to the side when the patient lies down in bed or on a sun-lounger. This is both an advantage and disadvantage as unders will be more gravitationally stable through this enhanced tissue fixity. It can also make them more prone to development of double-bubble as the breast ages and droops and the implant stays up high.

In a nutshell - for the most natural result go for overs if you can. Unders are great in certain patients but not necessary unless you are super skinny.

You should also take into consideration that 'both' overs and 'partials' have their pros and cons... For every pro you can find for going over the muscle, you can find a corn for going under and vice versa lovely. So neither is without its risk of complication. Xx
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 2:02 pm

Hey citygirl, like cookie said there are postives and negatives of both but i think that normally, if you have the choice, overs are the preference.
Although you have heard good things about unders, there are also good things about overs and you will still be able to achieve a natural look :) You also mentioned about wanting to be a D so again, thats a pro of having overs :)

So overall, unless you really want unders, ild say go for the overs :) xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 3:32 pm

Thank you ladies! Its starting to feel real now! I will have a chat with my parents and then probably put a deposit down in a couple of days. So excited! X
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 4:20 pm

Exciting!!!! :D xx
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Post by COOKIE 25th May 2013, 4:24 pm

Awww let us know how you get on babe. Its nice that you're able to have a chat to your parents and get them involved too before booking so you'll have their support as well after having your BA. Xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 5:06 pm

Yeah hopefully! Their attitude is a bit more like: we don't want you to do it but if you're going to do it then keep us informed and be careful! I guess I just want to let them know before I out the deposit down just out of respect. Plus I live with them so could never keep it hidden haha. If I put the deposit down i will be a June baby! So soon but it would be perfect as I will have almost two weeks off before I start my new job. And with overs, hopefully I won't be too uncomfortable when I start my job.Xx
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 5:52 pm

Yer that sounds perfect for you then! I live with mine so couldnt keep it secret, they don''t want me to do it either, but they know ive really done my research and they now support me even though they do worry still :)
wow your be a june buddy! great timing xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 6:59 pm

Yeah that's the most we can do really and they have to have faith in our decision. Btw one more quick question. I've decided to go for overs but I'm worried about stretch marks and looking fake. Do people think I should gofor 340 and 310 overs or 310 and 285 overs? Is there much difference? I'm guessing 30cc isn't much of a difference but just wondered what your thoughts are. Most of the stuff I've read is of people saying go for the bigger because you will regret it otherwise. I just don't want to be in a position where my boobs look abnormally large no matter what I wear :/ xx
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Post by COOKIE 25th May 2013, 7:30 pm

Any amount of CCs makes a difference lovely if it didn't then the manufacturers wouldn't waste their time making them.

It's best you discuss the sizing with your surgeon lovely. If you take pictures in with you of the 'look' you're hoping to achieve from your surgery this should help your surgeon to narrow it down for you. At worst you could ask your surgeon to take the two sizes of interest to you into theatre with you when you have your BA and then on the day your surgeon will have a better idea whilst you're in theatre after using sizers which implant is best to get the look you want.

In regard to stretch marks... There's never any guarantee you won't get them, it's all down to genetics and your skin elasticity. But you can do what you can to help prevent now whilst you're Pre-op by putting as much moisture as possible into your breasts to make them as supple as possible. So moisturise them at least twice a day babe. Again, there's no guarantees for you, but you stand a better chance of avoiding them by moisturising lovely. Xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 7:35 pm

That's true, thanks cookie..Gosh . And now that it feels so real I'm really starting to freak out...what if I get capsular contraction or have to have revision surgeries? Once you put them in I guess you will have implants for life and face surgery at least once every ten or so years.....and with overs they might not spot breast cancer during a mammogram...75% of me is saying to bite the bullet and do what will make me happy and face the consequences if and when they happen. But the cautious 25% is freaking out about messing with my boobs and all of these risks. I guess its normal to start freaking out..
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Post by Princessjo30 25th May 2013, 7:50 pm

It's normal, I'm freaking out too panic

My surgeon told me that breast cancer would be easier to feel and see as the implant pushes everything forward, that was one of my main worries x
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 7:54 pm

Are you having overs or unders? I've read with unders the risk of not diagnosing the cancer is reduced because less of the breast tissue is hidden by the implant. But I quite want overs :/ its probably such a small risk but I hate taking risks, not a dare devil at all! So part of me is thinking why take a risk you don't have to...but then I want the implants and have done for so long I don't want to not live my life because of a small risk...xx
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Post by COOKIE 25th May 2013, 7:54 pm

Worrying about complications is normal hun but something that should very n much be taken into consideration. Research is key babe and knowledge is power! The more you know, the better prepared you are for this surgery and the easier this decision will be.

In regard to your concerns about detecting breast cancer... Well, it's said when having a mammogram that it can be harder when the implant is over the muscle, but it's also said when going over the muscle that any lumps are easier to detect from self examination because the implant pushes the lump forward.

We have a very interesting post full of factual evidence to support the fact that partials or overs, you WILL be able to detect cancer hun. Self examination is key to finding any breast lumps so it could be said that they would be better in detecting..

I'll find the article for you later hun. Xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 7:56 pm

Thanks cookie! I've been reading articles for hours now and it doesn't seem like a huge difference anyway, maybe a 10% difference in terms of late diagnosis...like you say I want to go in knowing every risk I'm taking and being sure its worth taking those risks xx
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Post by Princessjo30 25th May 2013, 8:01 pm

citygirl88 wrote:Are you having overs or unders? I've read with unders the risk of not diagnosing the cancer is reduced because less of the breast tissue is hidden by the implant. But I quite want overs :/ its probably such a small risk but I hate taking risks, not a dare devil at all! So part of me is thinking why take a risk you don't have to...but then I want the implants and have done for so long I don't want to not live my life because of a small risk...xx

I'm having unders, I really wanted overs but my surgeon has recommended unders as I had only borderline enough tissue to cover the implant.

My thoughts were exactly the same as you, and I came to the conclusion that I can't live my life on what's ifs, because the what ifs could never happen and I've lived with something that I had the option to change so I'm taking the plunge xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 8:08 pm

Do you know how much tissue you need to cover the implants? To pass the pinch test? Well hun, good for you seriously! I think I will too as I will regret it if I don't. I would rather regret something that I did than something that I didn't do. Xx
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 8:11 pm

The risks is obviously the hardest part of a BA (except size haha). For me as im 21, it was a big decision, because im healthy and this is optional surgery. However, a few girls who have had complications have said that overall there still happy with going ahead, and thats also why our aftercare is important. For me, the risks of complications was outweighed by the happiness i know i will have after my BA. I know that once we have our BA, we are dedicated to it for life, but as long as we are careful with saving, we have to look at it in a positve way that every so often we can make our boobs look perfect again ;)
I like what princess jo said also, about what ifs, we could die tomorrow, so we might as well be happy ;) Were all here for support
Am i right in thinking your born in 88? :) xx
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 8:12 pm

I think the pinch test is 2cm? xx
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Post by COOKIE 25th May 2013, 8:12 pm

The late detection is down to mammograms lovely. Breast cancer originates from the breast tissue hun and with unders or overs the breast tissue is over the implant. When going over the muscle the implant doesn't sit over your breast tissue, it sits beneath it, so if you regularly self examine yourself this shouldn't effect the detection babe.

Here's the link to the thread I was talking about is from one of our members who detected breast cancer at just 4 weeks post-op. her story is inspiring and her research is incredibly helpful to anyone with this on their mind.

You can read [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] xx
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Post by Princessjo30 25th May 2013, 8:15 pm

jenniferrf1 wrote:I think the pinch test is 2cm? xx

Yes it's 2cm xx
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Post by citygirl88 25th May 2013, 8:15 pm

Thank you for the article cookie I will look through it now.

Thanks Jennifer, I think I have 4cm so that should be fine. Yeah born in 88. Will be 25 in July xx
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Post by jenniferrf1 25th May 2013, 8:21 pm

Thats cool! :) So yer overs might be the best option for you then! :) xx
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