Worried about underwires...

Sorry didn't mean to cause anyone any worry! Just saying what I'd been told. Believe me I really want to wear the wires!

Think I'll be very sparing with the, until I'm at least a few months post op then see how I feel.

Keep looking online at bras now and all the pretty ones are underwires. Xx

SunshineLady wrote:Sorry didn't mean to cause anyone any worry! Just saying what I'd been told. Believe me I really want to wear the wires!

Think I'll be very sparing with the, until I'm at least a few months post op then see how I feel.

Keep looking online at bras now and all the pretty ones are underwires. Xx

You haven't caused anyone any worry hun, dont worry, it's a perfectly resonable question to ask.

Sunny no worry caused xx as Misf says perfectly reasonable question to ask xx

I felt it only right however to clarify things that Roxanne had stated that could be misinterpreted and worrying to other members in relation to wearing wires xx

I don't think mentioning something is scaremongering just because someone may not want to hear it. Just because something is inconclusive it doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned, inconclusive means it's neither proven nor disproven. Personally I don't think there's enough evidence at the moment, I don't think the study was properly conducted since it didn't look at all the factors, though I don't think that means one should just shrug off the matter either. Controversy around this matter and differing opinions on it is nothing new. I shall start wearing underwired bras again when my boobs feel healed enough when I see fit, in my case not everyday, it's not the right thing for me. People should be intelligent enough to make their own decisions provided that they know all the information that's out there, not only one side

Sunshinelady, I would hold off on the wired bras for now. I bought some last month in the Debenhams sale, I tried them on the other day to see if I was ready to occasionally start wearing wired, it would appear that they may be too snug in the cup area now. Save your money until you're ready to wear them and your boobs have settled more. I might have to sell mine, glad I've left the tags on xxx

Inconclusive in a test like this means that they have to weigh up whether it is true or whether is is just by chance that people get either cancer or anything else associated with an illness brought on by wearing underwire. There has been no follow up test, which in extreme cases like this there would have been. It's something many women wear everyday so it would be extremely important for us to know if the argument held any weight (excuse the pun).

I found this on the breast cancer.org website

Underwire bras do not cause breast cancer. Only one scientific study has looked at the link between wearing a bra and breast cancer. There was no real difference in risk between women who wore a bra and women who didn't wear a bra.

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Misf1 I did read the above link as well some time ago. I never read one side without reading the other

I would like to point out I didn't initially mention the whole cancer thing in this thread. If anything, I avoided mentioning it earlier until it was brought up. What I did initially mention was that underwire can be restrictive and as such may cut/limit circulation to some degree as anything would when it's restrictive. For me personally, this is not ideal and I choose not to wear them every single day. This is also why I mentioned twice that it's important to be properly fitted, too many women wear the wrong sizes and don't even realise it. Some of my bras in the past were 34 when I should have been in a 32. I have spent years wearing a variety of styles, both wired and nonwired, and I have to say I couldn't wear wired one all day every single day, I need variety that includes both, but that's me, and I've always felt this way (I'm 36 so I've had quite a bit of practice in the bra wearing department ) xxx

I understand that you did not mention cancer at first but the sentence you used was from

Dr. Christiane Northrup, M.D. She declared that the underwire severs the circulation of both blood and lymph fluids from the breasts area. The same article mentions research conducted by Dr. George Goodheart, author of Chinese Lessons for Modern Chiropractors. which says below your breasts are two important neuro-lymphatic reflex points. The one below your right breast corresponds to your liver and gallbladder. The one below your left breast goes to your stomach. These reflexes, like all acupuncture points, follow the Law of Stimulation. In the beginning of stimulating a point, it is stimulated - often causing an increase in associated function. Later on, this continued stimulation causes sedation of that point and a subsequent decrease in its associated function. It's a mechanical thing.

If a woman keeps the metal underwires on top of those reflex points, over time that WILL mess up the functioning of the associated circuits: Liver, gallbladder, and stomach

These are two people who have no real research into anything, haven't conducted tests and used studies that are inconclusive.

On another website (shown below) it says does mention the restrictions of an underwired bra and the lymph system and they are discounted by the American Cancer Society

The idea that bras may cause cancer was fueled by the 1995 book called Dressed to Kill by Sydney Ross Singer and Soma Grismaijer. It claims that women who wear underwire bras for 12 hours a day have a much higher risk of developing breast cancer than women who do not wear bras. They maintain that bras restrict the lymph system, which results in a build-up of toxins in the breasts.[1] However, according to the American Cancer Society, there is no evidence that compression of the lymph notes by bras causes breast cancer; in reality, body fluids travel up and into the underarm lymph nodes, not towards the underwire.[2] Similarly, there is no sufficient evidence that any types of bras cause breast cancer.

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Unfortunatly I could not find anything that didn't relate to Dr Northrup and cancer and the only things I could find that also was about resriction of the lymphatic system etc was also about cancer and were discounted by nearly everyone.

There are also many studies on the affect or deoderant and breast cancer - inconcusive, mobile phones and breast cancer - inconclusive, breast implants and cancer - inconclusive

and just to show why some studies aren't worth being done here's a funny one

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For a study on the "effects of skin pressure," Japanese researchers had women weigh their own poop for three weeks. The finding: "The amount of feces was significantly smaller" when they defecated while wearing an underwire bra. Good to know!

hahaha, brilliant misf1

Thanks Kay for being bold enough to stand up and be obvious in your opinions.

Thanks misf1 for going out of your way to post links to reassure us.

I personally had began to think that underwires were a terrible terrible evil after reading this thread. I think one sided stories were put across without validation.

I want to thank you both for putting things back into perspective x

misf1 wrote:I understand that you did not mention cancer at first but the sentence you used was from

There are also many studies on the affect or deoderant and breast cancer - inconcusive, mobile phones and breast cancer - inconclusive, breast implants and cancer - inconclusive

and just to show why some studies aren't worth being done here's a funny one

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For a study on the "effects of skin pressure," Japanese researchers had women weigh their own poop for three weeks. The finding: "The amount of feces was significantly smaller" when they defecated while wearing an underwire bra. Good to know!

Yes, all inconclusive, we don't really know the full effect of many things. I've heard and read all these things before....deoderant, mobile phones, wifi, implants, but I carry on as normal, otherwise there wouldn't be much I can do on account of one thing or another

Lol on the jezebel link misf1

And no one ever said underwired bras were a terrible evil thing, I said several times I wear them myself

Very good Misf haha xx

I think Roxanne, you just need to be aware that a lot of girls on here are either post op or pre op and come on here for support and advice and what you were implying / stating / quoting could be quite impactive on some, and could actually cause people to really worry or go against what THEIR PS recommends for them xx

You are posting your PS's views, your own and then quoting some inconclusive findings from the internet, and whilst we are all entitled to our opinions we need to be careful when putting them over to others so we don't cause unnecessary worry and concern xx

There is nothing wrong at all with wearing wires whether you have implants or not, and there is nothing wrong with not wearing them, personal preference and of course follow the advise of YOUR own PS xx

Also worth mentioning that most girls find wearing wires uncomfortable and difficult after surgery to begin with, this is perfectly normal and is a period of adjustment xx However, after a few weeks you tend to build the time up and before you know it you are able to wear them all day with no problems whatsoever xx apart from your feces weighing a bit less that is :smiler:

This is where I am different, I need to know everything, good and bad. It was the same thing when doing my research before getting my implants. I read everything including the very anti implant sites that clearly I shall not mention lol, and the full FDA studies. But that's the way I am, I need to read and know everything and weigh it all out based on all the info. I told myself if I still make a decision to go ahead with something after then it's something I really want. This is the approach I take with many of my decisions in life. I need to add that I am still fairly post op too btw, and have the same concerns as everyone else. Clearly I just have different views on how much I need to know, both good and bad, conclusive and inconclusive. My years doing my degree have instilled in me to question everything and trust nothing to the annoyance of many I've still got plenty to say but shall keep my mouth shut

Sunshinelady I apologise for somehow unwillingly managing to highjack your thread

So I'll start over:

In short, I'm not quite ready to wear underwire but plan on doing so when I'm better recovered but not everyday, I didn't before and I won't start now. I still hold the view like our ps does (which was a total concidence btw) that while my breasts still need to drop I won't artificially push them up needlessly, except for the odd night out, though this applies more to some bras than others, not all underwired bras do this anyhow, some are just regular bras with a wire, not all are heavily wired and padded push up bras. He was clear on the difference between these, and from my own experience an everyday underwired bra is not the same as a night out show off bra , they feel different on and off for me. I look forward to shopping for some push up, balcony and plunge bras when my body feels ready to do so. Right now it's not what my body wants, my boobs still need to heal some more. This is all I should have said from the start, nothing else xxx

<----------- eyes up her balconette bra suspiciously and wonders how it caused so much trouble! :heehee:

Nobody meant any malice, it all good xx

Sunshine lady you look FABDABBYBOOBIEDOOBIEWONDERFUL!!!! That's a word, I swear.

My own advice regarding underwires is wait until you feel ready, get one of each basic black/white/nude ones and ensure they're the right size. I had a nightmare trying them on today, some were as comfortable as preop, others I couldn't have worn for 10 minutes. I think it's very much about the specific bra and as misf has outlined each brand has a different underwire so experiment and find something right for you. Build up how long/often you wear them over time and listen to your body. If your boobs ache take a break, if they feel absolutely fine then don't worry!

Underwires are in the vast majority of bra's a available in any lingerie store... If they were as detrimental to our health as that link wanted to imply they most certainly wouldn't be filling the shelves of every store! Life is too short to worry about every single "what if", you paid for fantastic boobs so enjoy them!x

<--- for misf1! Very interesting reading indeed

sparkyleeds wrote:Ive not heared that before????,i was told i could wear wires from 6 weeks but found them uncumfy for quite a few months so only wore them for an hour or two then back into a sports bra,now i wear them all the time!!!x

I think the majority of us find this too hun. I was in sports bras for 12 weeks as advised by my surgeon, when I was given the all clear to wear wires I found them too painful to wear and had to break my boobs in gently building up the time over months until I could eventually wear them for a full day.

I still choose to seek the comfort of my sports bra if I'm not seeing anyone because although I can wear wired bras, I still look forward to the time when I can get them off because I personally just don't find them comfortable to wear, even though I've had a specialist fitting. But that's just me.

I agree that wearing wires is personal prefence and I think that for most of us wearing wires won't be a 7 day a week thing anyway because being a woman, I think most of us love our sloppy joe days when we wear whats most comfortable for us.

Wires serve a purpose and there's nothing wrong at all in wearing them, they give our boobs amazing shape! and Sunshine, your avvy is a fine example, you look amazing babe! so as long as you feel comfortable, after getting the all clear from your surgeon of course, then get the benefit of what you now have and take advantage of what the different bras can give you to change the look of your new boobs... it would be an absolute shame to waste 'em!!!!

Wow Sunshine, LOVE your new avi xx

Thank you ladies for all the advice, once again this place is a godsend

And thank you all for your nice comments! I still can't believe that's me! :heehee:

Alice that's actually the best word ever. I'm going to try and use it in a sentence this week

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I love the bra Sunny, where did you get it ? xx

Here you go Lucky... What a bargain eh? Xx

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Thanks for that Sunny, may just get one to add to my collection of 40+ It does look great on you xx

roxanne wrote:Yes, the cancer studies are rather inconclusive, I wouldn't base this on whether or not I wear underwire. Further studies would need to be conducted, and all factors would have to be taken into account in order to be sure it wasn't the other factors that are increasing the risk instead.

However, like it or not, wires are restrictive to some degree, though they may not 'cut' the circulation they do tend to 'restrict' or 'limit' it somewhat, for me that's enough not to wear them all the time. I still plan on wearing them again when my body tells me it's ready, but not all the time. This is why though it's extremely important to wear the right size bra, especially when the bra is wired, more rigid and shaped.

Truthfully roxanne, if i were you, i'd be more concerned about the risk of having implants in my body, and the risks associated with those than with a blooming underwire bra!!!! 101 things we come into contact with everyday are 'dangerous' in one way or another, you can't believe all you read, and you also can't believe all 'studies' carried out. From studying a scientific research module for my degree I learnt that not only are many studies bias, but also results can be manipulated in order to display the viewpoint the researcher was after in the first place. What im getting at is, I really dont think underwires are that big an issue!! If you've got implants, and you know the possible risks associated with those, underwires are the least of your worries.

If this thread must continue so must I I'm afraid

I am well aware of implant risks, that is why I went back and forth between having a mastopexy only or having it with implants for two years after I made the initial decision to have breast surgery. As I said previously, I weighed out the risks and decided it was a chance I was willing to take. The same way, on another level, that I choose to eat some junk food when I please, and I choose to drink more units of alcohol than recommeded when I please, the list goes on. Implants are categorised as "relatively safe" medical devices, this could send a lot of people running, but I chose to go ahead with the surgery with implants despite this and with the full knowledge.

I do not believe everything I read, if anything I tend to question everything to many people's annoyance I do feel the need to analyse everything, I suppose some people I know aren't too keen on my approach, it takes them out of their comfort zones, and questions what they previously thought as gospel.

On some level I cannot accept the "if it's on the market and approved for sale, then it must be safe". To some degree this holds true, but it isn't 100% the case as history has shown, there are many political, economic and scientific facets that would influence the outcome of certain decisions, including the research conducted to approve a product. Also, many approved products on the market come with some risk (clearly some more than others), again personally I choose to know what they are, not everyone does.

FYI I myself have a degree, one of the first things we were taught is not to believe everything exactly because of the bias and manipulation you mention, so I completely understand

We have all agreed, including myself, that the limited research on underwired bras was inconclusive, may I add I didn't even mention the 'C' word to begin with. The research wasn't adequate, longterm controlled studies were not conducted. Though one can say that the outcome was compelling, one cannot say at this point in time that it is anything but that, without adequate research, compelling just isn't enough. For me the main reason that I avoid wearing them everyday is that I find them uncomfortable to wear all the time, perhaps it's down to my anatomy. I still plan on buying more underwired bras in the coming weeks, and will be wearing them too with the right outfit or no outfit at all

Very true, there are many more risks to worry about, don't get me started on some of those, but I won't get into it on here

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For anyone reading this thread and possibly getting confused by some of the points that have been made. Don't worry about it-

WEAR YOUR WIRES AND LOVE YOUR BOOBS!

There's no problem with wearing wires at all girls as long as you have the all clear from your surgeon to wear them .

I think anybody who is that concerned about the POSSIBILITY of the health risks associated with wearing an underwire probably should give a BA a little more consideration...

I'd probably advise not leave the house either, there are plenty of buses out there that may pose a risk. X

After reading your latest posts Roxanne and it becoming seemingly obvious that your leftie still needs time to catch up with rightie this probably explains your discomfort when wearing wires. At three months post-op I got the all clear from my surgeon to wear wired bras, but it took a further couple of months before I was able to comfortably wear them full time. So the discomfort you currently seem to be having wearing wires can be reasonably explained right now with you still being early post-op and the fact that some of us take a little longer to heal than others. After giving your new boobs a little longer to heal, you should be just fine wearing them for as long as you choose to lovely with very little or no discomfort at all. xx

LOL@Alice xx